I've always been interested in art and making things, but I chose not to go to art school because I thought I needed to do something else. Art was a tough way to make a living. I've always done both. I just kind of figured that the marine biology would be a career and the art would be something I did for my own self-expression.

战场交锋，即使列阵有方，但以勇猛为本；操办丧事，即使礼节周全，但以哀痛为本；文人学士，即使学富五车，但以德行为本

The best architecture comes from a dialogue between client and architect.